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From Barris To Billet ~ The Past, Present, and Future Of Custom Cars
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Announcer
You're listening to the Get Out N Drive podcast with John CustomCarNerd Meyer and Jason OldeCarrGuy Carr. We'll be bringing you gearheads, everything you never wanted to know about cars and why they should be on the road and not in your garage. Are you ready to get out and drive?
John
Well, welcome back to another episode of Get Out N Drive podcast. Every one of our podcast is customized to you, the listener. We find out what you like, what you like and what you want to hear, and we ramble on and we talk about it. The same thing I do with cars. Everything is tailored to what I like, or if I've got somebody building me a car. I can build something with somebody else likes. I just I love custom cars. I can restore an original car. But it's somebody else's vision. My whole. My whole life is experiencing what it feels like to create something artistic talent, customizing something and getting somebody else to see. In real life, what I have in my head, does that happen to you Jason?
Jason
Well, I'm not. I'm not a car builder, so no, it doesn't happen to me, but I am the type of guy who has a vision that may not necessarily have the ability to put it together, but I can only imagine that being in your position for the whatever 30 years that you were, that you were doing what you were doing and building these cars. For people and this and that, I can't imagine it not. Invoking the creative juices in your own mind to take Oh well, when we did that car, I liked that little bit that we did. Maybe I'll incorporate it into mine someday and then when we did this on that vehicle, I like that would work here as well. Like it just must get the creative juices so flowing that when it comes time to do something for yourself.
Jason
You're like I've got all these ideas. How do I make it happen and where is that inspiration coming from initially? And I think that's a little bit about what we're talking about here today is that somebody's inspiration. Has turned into a legacy. And we're bringing this legacy to you guys a little bit today in case you didn't know who or what the heck we're talking about. And I'll admit, I'm the first person to admit I'm a little bit out of my wheelhouse here today talking about this specific build and some of the earlier builds and this and that. Coming from John, who are we talking about today?
John
Well, I think in the custom car world there are many, many people and we could talk for hours and hours and hours and fill a coffee table book. But. I think one of the. Most prolific that's out there is. The Barris brothers, George and Sam Barris, George and Sam Barris. Without getting too political, George was a. Very much a promotions guy. Hey. Sam was the artistic talent. George had talent. He could do it. He could. He could do a lot of things. He can create things. He could draw things and. He made it happen. He made a lot of things happen. He shook a lot of hands and talked to a lot of people. But I think in my opinion the Steam train behind the Barris brothers was Sam. And I got to. I got to see the very last car. That Sam worked on it. It got recently got finished and is owned by Tim McMahon, same person that owns the Rod & Custom Dream Truck now. He owns the 1957 Chevrolet El Capitola. It is a. Bordering on show radish custom it that car put an end to Georgia's career of working on cars because if anyone has known or seen the car and I'm sure we can throw up some photos and things of details of the car. Every panel you've seen panel paint, right, Jason, that they put lines on the car and they have a big panel and it kind of. Action through there, yeah. That's a big word. It kind of accentuates the body panels. Well, George did one better on this car.
John
He took every panel of the car where they were going to. Painted another color and he sunk it down 1/4 of an inch. It's physically 3D and you can feel it and they paint stripes and things in the car and when you look at the car, the, the bodies actually step down. Hammer and Dolly and Torch and everything. Everything that I've read said that this car was the end of it for George. He wanted to go out with for Sam. I'm sorry. He wanted to go out with a bang. And El Capitola is it.
Jason
Well, and that's. And that's just one. Of many, if you're in this industry and you're, you know, the history of how you know, custom cars kind of came to be like you, you can't talk about the history without talking about the Barris brothers. Yes, there are plenty of other influencers in that category. But some of you may only know the name Barris, from a few very special very popular cars and vehicle. I don't want to say cars because they're actually. Art, artwork, art pieces. But most of you guys know that the original Batmobile came to be through the Barris brothers. You all know the monster mobile you all know the monkey mobile. There's several others out there that became famous because of TV, but those. Started. As a brainchild somewhere within the barest garage and most notably, Sam, with his artistic ability and things that come out of there. But like, we're going deeper. Than the Batmobile. We're going deeper than Herman Munsters. Monster mobile. We're talking.
John
Oh yeah.
Jason
Unsung cars Barris creations. That have been long forgotten and maybe even not known about. Until recently, when they reappear. So John, something big has come up. Most notably in in in recent weeks here of a car that has been found. Hiding in storage for how many years? 30-40?
John
Years I would probably say fourty-fifty years or more. This this car recently came up and it just absolutely popped on to the scene. Like literally not to date this podcast. But here in the beginning of June 2024. Nobody saw it coming, and there's a there's randomly an ad in Hemmings which always to me, triggers that someone loved a car and they kept it away and they never did do anything with it because it this car ended up staying in its first iteration where. Where the Barris studio did customizing on this on this Buick and it never evolved? And whoever had it loved it so much. And I don't know this for sure, but usually is the case a person dies and their family doesn't have any idea what to do with this car. I wish I knew a little bit more background about it. I can only read what was on the Hemings. Ad. But this this car is Bill and Bob Glazer's 1953 Oldsmobile convertible. And. I don't have it all memorized yet, so thank you. Thank you. Kustomrama. So we're, I'm currently on your site and looking at all of your things. So shout out to Kustomrama for having a lot of information on this 53 olds convertible. It was a very little known car. It was finished painted. It was on the show circuit and all. That stuff. But it doesn't say it doesn't say here at all when the last time the car was out. I just see show car pictures of the car and it looks exactly like it did in its heyday. In what looks to me like. The early 60s. So that puts the car exactly right like that and. There's no price. I have heard from a little bird that the car has been sold and it will be in good hands. And. I've not been told who bought it. But again, the person who has his finger on the pulse of custom cars, our good friend Kevin Anderson. Who is the promoter for Custom car revival in Indianapolis, which I went to just the past few weeks ago, beautiful custom cars there and everything. So when I saw this, the first thing I did was I called Kevin. Because he's got his finger on the pulse of all of that. So he very nicely told me that he believes that the car has been sold and it's in good hands, so I'm going to do a little bit more digging about the car and. You never know what's out there. This car popped up from nowhere and because it didn't have a whole lot of popularity when it was fresh. Not very many people knew what it was now.
Jason
Well, and to some people, they're going to take a look at this car and they're simply going to look at it and say, OK, you know, what's the big deal? It's a 53 olds, a deal, you know, and.
John
M.
Jason
Some will look at it and say, well, whoever did that ruined it. But those who know that in in some people's eyes. OK, because it's not original. It's ruined. Yeah, whatever. To each his own. Those of us who can appreciate the hours. And the and the craftsmanship that went into these cars can look at that and might think you know what that might not be my cup of tea, but I certainly appreciate the effort and the time and the energy that that this thing went through to go from blah. Rolling out the showroom floor to. She got a little bit sparkle in her.
John
Voice Oh yeah.
Jason
Like, we're not talking. We're not talking flat enamel lead based paint here we're talking, we're talking like Tri Quad coat.
John
It's candy.
Speaker
It's like.
Jason
You know, like this is A to me. It's a beautiful car.
Speaker
MHM.
Jason
You know where you know, what is what the most beautiful picture in that article is John.
John
Which one?
Jason
The one in the garage covered about 40 years with the dust.
John
Oh, yeah, yes, yes. And has the car show banner behind it? Everything. Has been kept exactly as it was during its. During its heyday and it's just amazing the and it's a subtle baris custom little bit of shaving little nose and deck change some trim on the sides.
Jason
Adding some headlights.
John
Adding some headlights. It does have quad headlights in it. It is just a wonderful wonderful car. Not overdone, because what happens in a lot of custom cars because of indoor car shows and points and things like that. Everybody wants to change their car for next year so they get more points. So if my car had two headlights last year, they changed it to canted 4 headlights this year and then they stick. Upside down, Packard tail lights on it and they start gluing and sticking and chunking and cutting and sectioning for no reason other than to get show car points. That's why some of the cars that have been lost to time. Are some of the best cars because you get to see them in their first iteration. And they haven't evolved. For no reason at all, other than just evolution.
Jason
And a lot of people look at these cars and they say, well, why would they do that? Well, what John just said is exactly why they do it. It's they want to show off their creativity as many places on a specific vehicle as. They can. So rather than just frenching headlights, let's add a couple when it. Never used to be. That way, right? Rather than having one body side molding or one body line going down the car, let's add another one somewhere or two or three like you talked about earlier in the. 3D paint so. You know every car just because it rolls off the assembly line floor one way doesn't mean that it has to fit everyone's taste and even custom cars. They're called custom for a reason, right? Because somebody liked what they had in their mind. They put it to paper. And they made it. Work. This is a tangible. Piece of artwork. That somebody, somewhere likely will clean it up. And they'll get it rolling again under its own power. And Oregon? Heck, they might completely change the car to their to their like. Which?
John
Anythings possible?
Jason
Anything's possible, but for the.
John
It's a custom car and sometimes they go through different owners and that car changes hands and it changes its way of being presented.
Jason
Right. That's right. And if I know you, John, I know that that you would do everything in your power to bring this car to bring this car back to it's customized. Positioned the way that it was when they purchased.
John
Ohh very much so it would. It would erase all this vehicles history if anybody were to restore this car back to factory stock. Hopefully it doesn't get changed because it would show its history and it would be a complete time warp. A lot of old customs and things have been popping up lately on social media. One of the biggest cars that that I thought I would never ever see again, and a lot of people are hunting it down. A lot of people were looking for the car. Trying to figure out what. Happened to it. It is Larry Watson's 57 Cadillac Eldorado broom. Absolutely, absolutely beautiful car. Everyone thought it was gone. Nobody had an idea where it was.
Jason
And this car wasn't even hidden away. I don't. Believe was it.
John
No, as far as I know, it wasn't hidden away. It wasn't under cover. It wasn't in storage or anything. I spoke to Ethan Adams, which on Instagram he is that old car guy.
Jason
Not this old car.
John
Guy not that old car guy. That old car guy. So the irony is just incredible here. But he and his buddy found Larry Watson's Cadillac in the weeds behind some place with a whole bunch of other cars as a. As a car horde. And they found it on Facebook marketplace. They had no idea what it was. Not a lick of idea. What it was not that younger kids don't know what the custom cars are, but they saw the car and no one else did. And they're like, oh, hey, that's kind of a cool car and it's near where we're at. So we're going to go look at it. Well, they. Start pulling the thing up on the trailer. And putting up pictures of it, someone that is important from custom. Rama saw the Martinez. Interior. Which is essential interior that this upholsterer. Put all kinds of pleats and rolls and all sorts of things in this interior. All the interior still in that car. I mean, this car was candy pink. It was absolutely brand new when Larry Watson was customizing it in 57 and it changed hands and got lost and. Here is this car that somebody goes wait a second I see I see the headliner of this car and that's the only thing I could figure out that worked. To put this car in the hands of Larry Watson because the front bumper had been changed, the lower Valance have been changed. Some other things have been changed and not much of the car stood out that you would walk up to and go, hey, this is Larry Watson's car. These kids absolutely tripped over this gold mine of. Bar. Just by searching marketplace and they haven't sold it, they have plans on restoring it. I spoke with, spoke with Ethan briefly, and the car ended up on the East Coast somewhere and I was trying to get him to get it to custom car revival this year. And he said. And that he didn't have time so maybe next year but hopefully the car resurfaces and hopefully they get enough time and energy to restore.
Jason
It it's amazing that these cars are popping up and you know, like for, for people who don't know who Larry Watson is, he is synonymous for these elaborate. Multilayer candy and trim and everything paint is his. It was his key. And like if you go down through and do a search for Larry Watson, look for some of his painted projects and my soul. Like you could just spend days scrolling through and seeing some of the stuff. And again, a lot of you're going to look at it and say, yeah, that's OK, a lot of work with that, but it ain't my taste. But one of the things that came out of. The Larry Watson era was. Painting with lace.
John
He is the godfather of that.
Jason
Is the godfather of laying out his wife's lace tablecloth on the roof of a car because you know those things are very intricately detailed, very very fine thread. He laid it out on a roof of a car.
Speaker
MHM.
Jason
And with a base coat color sprayed. A contrasting color. Masking the image of that doily or of that that lease into the paint and then you clear coat over it and it looks like it's all been hand painted as part of the roof and like, so you see these today, people still do this today. It's a very West Coast style of painting.
John
It's the dawn of the low rider scene.
Jason
Another look? Yeah, so?
John
That original panel painted car was a purple 64 Pontiac.
Jason
Yep.
John
And it had lace on it and everybody said. What the hell is?
Jason
That and if you if you really want to see how far lace painting has come look up daily driven death traps on YouTube. These are a couple of young fellows they recently did this. I believe it was an old. Chevy 52 Chevy that they look we can custom paint in a barn. For a couple 100 bucks. That's exactly what they did with that. Where do these young 20 somethings get these ideas? Because this stuff is passed down from generation to generation to generation, and it's something that we talk about here all the time on the get out and Drive podcast is if we're not sharing these stories, if we're not sharing the skills. Of what it takes to keep the automotive customization building the trade going. It will disappear. Those who have been long time listeners to get out and drive podcast probably had one of the most I'm going to say infamous John episodes that we did, just not that long ago talking about EV's. It's the same thing if we don't pass along some of the information that we have to the younger generation. It's never going to get passed on.
John
Right. That that's exactly right. And that that's where the term. Passing the torch. It's physically. Teaching someone else how to do it. And there has been a lot of custom greats through the years that have passed the torch. Physically and you could see them on social media. They have, they're in their 80s or 90s and they have somebody who's twenty 30-40 years old and they're teaching them how to do lead work. They're teaching them how to. Two chops and all sorts of things, and you can read a book and you can look at various custom techniques, volume 123, you know and the coffee table books. You can look at those all day long, but it doesn't give you the step by step. Hands on.
Jason
Experience. Yeah. And that's what it's all about is it's about learning, learning new things. Uh. I think when I say the name Chad Hilts, there's a 5050 response that I get from people. You either love them or you hate them. If you don't know who Chad Hilts is bad Chad. So he does.
John
I'm not. I'm not a fan. I'm going to jump out right in front of you and say I'm not a fan.
Jason
Sure. So well. Not a fan of him? Maybe not a fan of what he of his creations, but it's the same token of looking at a bearish custom or at a Larry Watson custom. It's certainly not for everybody, but I look at Chad Hiltz and I say here's a guy who's got something in his mind that.
Speaker
MHM.
Jason
Wants to make it different from everybody else and he wants to show you how he does it and he does that on his YouTube channel, showing you how he does it on the cheap and on the down low. Is it for everybody? No. But I give I give kudos to him for doing what he does and showing people what he does because there's not a lot of that out there. Fits these fabrication is another one on YouTube. Look these guys up that that kind of go in and show you it might not be the.
Speaker
MHM.
Jason
Right. Way, but it's a way. And it's custom and it's different. So and that's kind of what we're talking about in this episode is we started off with George Barris. We we're talking about Larry Watson. We're bringing up a lot of the these old school names who have been around for literally almost 100 years. George Barris, what was he? I think what was he born in like? 1925.
John
I think it was somewhere near there.
Jason
Right. And he died, what, 10 years ago?
John
Give or take, yes.
Jason
Yeah. So I mean, but that name will live on. You know, and as we move, who are these? Who are these future movers and shakers in the industry? John, you probably know better than I do. You follow a bit more than I do, but who are who's The Who are the modern day. George Barris and Larry Watsons that that are moving up, who aren't just cookie cutter ring. Cutting cookie cutting. I customized it. Cookie cutting.
John
That's not a word, but you customize the word.
Jason
Custom quote UN quote curs for the masses. Like who, who were some of these names that we should be talking about today that are rising up?
Speaker
MHM.
John
Quickly that came to my mind. Someone has been doing it for a really long time. Is Voodoo Larry his work and vision may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he's doing a lot of things that other people are not. I met Gino Walker. Last year, and he's from Oklahoma, Larry's from Illinois, up near Chicago area. But I met Gino when I was helping do customizing and shop work for the dream delivery. The dream truck, I guess tribute sedan delivery. I met Gino in in Springfield, MO, last year. And he has chop classes. He cuts things with the torch hammer and Dolly and smashing things and cutting it and just taking his thumb like a Carpenter and goes. Does it work? Yeah. Does the tape measure match? Probably not. But we had a long talk about that, he said. Step back, take a look. Is this going to work? And I had a small hand in it and. They chopped and sectioned. Pancake the hood on a. I think it's a 50 or 51 Chevrolet truck sand delivery. In three days inside at a car show. It was amazing. And I had never met, you know, before and I came up said who I am and. Connection with the dream truck and Kurt McCormick and. Back to velvet rope. He's like, come on. In hand me a saw.
Jason
And if we're, if we're talking about car shows and jobs done in three days, I think that we would be remiss if we didn't talk about Gene Winfield.
John
Yes. Oh, very much so. He just had a birthday.
Jason
Yeah, just last week, I had the pleasure of meeting Jean at the Atlantic Nationals in Moncton, NB several years ago it wasn't. It was very, very quick. Obviously he's certainly busy and has a lot of people wanting to stop and talk to him. But I did get to shake. His hand and you know, like that they were. They had a car. I forget what the car was. It was a 50s something or other that him and another fellow and a group of guys were chopping the roof on this thing. And they wanted to show people that, you know, what with a little bit of hard work and some determination, this is something that you and a couple of buddies, if you know what you're doing. Doing a week. And. You know, and that's what they did. They started on a Thursday evening. They went Friday. They went Saturday when the show ended on Sunday at noon time. They had this roof tacked into place on this car. So, like, there's the. We can go. But let's talk a little bit modern mainstream.
John
I mean.
Jason
And again, John, I know you're probably not going to like this, but the names that come to mind based on TV and reality are Chip Foose, Troy, Japan. Yeah, the ring brothers. A lot of these guys who are what I classify as.
John
OK.
Speaker
M.
Jason
You know, regardless of what you think of them, they're modern customizing geniuses in the fact that some of these guys like the Chip Foose is like the Dave Kendig, Troy, Japan. Yeah, all these guys who have been in TV, who have got their name and their skill out there, have they been celebrities? A little bit because of it, sure, but the fact that their skills get shown is a little bit of the same tactic of as what Sam Barris and George Barris did.
John
M.
Jason
60 years ago.
John
Oh yeah.
Jason
When there was no such thing as reality TV, they were just doing it in their shop. And sending it out to the world.
John
Right. I mean, there's different people that are that you can stop in the custom car scene and put a point in time. And see things. Just emerge from that. No Boyd Coddington. Single handedly started the billet era 1978. He's driving. A completely smooth red. Car with no Chrome on it. Two St. ride nationals in in Louisville. When every car had wire wheels and they were gold and brown fenders and all that jazz, he's driving something new as something brand new, something nobody's ever seen before. And it's just amazing that certain people. Just. Some like it, some hate it. But you can just point you can get a point in time and see where things emerged. I mean, boycotting that had his own TV show for quite some time.
Jason
Yeah, yeah.
John
And he was he was. He was right up there at the dawn of it.
Jason
And there's a lot of names. Of course I'm going to put myself on the spot because I can't name the names, but there's a lot of names that came out of boycotting and shop chip from being one of them that have gone on to be and to do great things in the automotive industry, whether it be wheels related, whether it be fabrication related, whether it be.
John
Oh, most certainly.
Speaker
M. I think.
Jason
There's a lot of things that come out of the boycotting era, you know, it's a shame that we lost Boyd early in, in his life and his career, but his legacy lives on. That industry, that that's sort of that business still lives on today as part of the. As part of a stamp on car customizing.
John
His son is still building wheels in Kansas City.
Jason
Yep, Yep. And they industrialized their customization so that everybody could have an opportunity to take part in what his dream was and that is having Coddington wheels on your hot rod. But it also moved into steering wheels and plates and. And and trim and all this different stuff. And when you look at St. rods that were built coming up through course street Rod, that term doesn't even exist today. St. rods being built in the early to mid 80s into the 90s. What was one thing that they all had in common?
John
Easter egg colors and smooth. Yep. Monotone. Yep. No Chrome.
Jason
No. No and. And what? Shine. They may have had was Miller.
John
Correct. And that's spilled over. I know we're skipping all over.
Jason
Right.
John
The place, but it's. Kind of fun that's spilled over in Pro Street. A whole lot. Another. Again, we're jumping around here and please try and stay on track, but I can't. My brain is.
Speaker
Joy.
John
Jim Jacobs, Pete Chapouris. 1973. Are Coupes For Chickens? It's right there on my wall. It's right somewhere. I don't know. It's right there on my wall. The cover of Rod and Custom magazine. It's absolutely amazing how there was. Drag racing and muscle cars and all sorts of things and people weren't paying attention to vintage St. rods. And again, they drove to the very First Street rod nationals with Jim's coop screaming yellow zonker is what they considered it yellow 34 Ford coupe with orange wheels on it. Hellacious rake, dirt track tires, wire wheels, and the California kid. Peach Forrest's car and that today the name you say to people. Oh, Pete and Jakes. People know what that is, but a lot of people don't know the history and the point in time where those guys said I want to do something different. And that name is still applies today. To their little shop in Kansas City and around Kansas City, they still sell parts today, you know, and. It's a shame that we've lost one of them, but. Their name and things still lives on and that. Cover of that rotten custom magazine. That's what launched me into my career of what I'm doing as a kid. I saw that magazine and I looked through it, and I'm like, holy cow, these guys are chopping the 34 Ford in the back of their house outside of their garage. Little tiny little garage with a hacksaw on a. Torch. I can do that.
Speaker
2nd.
John
And I said this is what's going to make me go. And that's my turning point. So thank you, Jim Jacobs and Pete Chapouris or for making my life hell.
Jason
Guys like we said earlier, we've been jumping all over the place with this show. But one thing that it proves of us jumping. All over is a our passion for what happens in the industry. I can certainly attest to John's knowledge of not. Just the industry of car building, car restoration, the people involved in that industry, but the amount of knowledge, useless knowledge that John has that pops out and some of these names that he can remember and just and just spew off by times that again this is the knowledge that we need to continue to share. With every. And not just the younger generations, because there's a lot of guys out there like me. John and I are only a few years apart, but John, his knowledge of the industry is far exceeds mine because I'm just a casual enthusiast. But John was in the industry for several years, you know, and I think that, you know, it might even be a future. Episode John to talk about the different styles of customizing cars, whether it be a Pro Street, whether it be a low rider, whether it. The we talked about street rods. That term is not even used anymore. And what that stuff means. So that might be an episode if you guys think that you want to hear us talk a little bit about, you know, the different classifications of hot rodding and customizing over the years, make sure that you let us know if you're watching this on YouTube, put it down the comments if you are listening to it. On any other device, head over to our website and Scroll down to the very bottom. There is a list or hotline you can tell us who you are, where you're from or not, but at least tell us your idea if you want to hear us talk about something more specific, we can jump on board. That and we can make an episode to appease those masses. John, I had a blast talking and bringing back some of this old school customization that George Barris has. The gene Winfield's Larry Watsons, all this stuff. And I think if there's anything that we can say. Is the passion is there and we just want to share our passion with our listeners. So if you've got any final words, John, let us let it rip and see if.
John
I don't. My brain is all over the place thinking about things and the only thing I can possibly end with is. I wish he lived closer to me. Is Ryan Timmons? He's great friends with Gina Walker and they're the two guys that I met down at Springfield, MO, at the custom car show down there. Chop. Green delivery, which is very close to being finished, so he Ryan is the only guy that I know that had the balls to chop this ugly ass green station wagon put purple flames on it and somehow it looks. Cool. So one ugly *** car, but it sure is ********. So I'm. I'm just going to close with that because I would go on and talk about custom cars forever. And unless you want to have like a three hour show. You have to shut me up at some time.
Jason
We'll run out of tape.
John
Yes, yes. We'll run out of. Tape. So if anybody wants to hear something else about custom cars, man.
John
Let us know. Look, I know everyone wants to get out and drive, but it's been difficult with the price of gas lately. But get out and drive doesn't have to mean physically driving your ride.
Jason
Get and drive means sharing your auto repair skills with the next generation hashtag. What drives you?
John
Get out and drive means watching a classic road trip movie or something with a cool chase scene.
Jason
Get out and drive means hosting a car show or a cruise.
John
Get out and drive means working on that project car to get it ready to get out and.
Jason
Drive. Get out and drive means get those toy cars, Hot Wheels, remote control cars and die casts and burn up the Pavement
John
get out and drive means supporting organizations that help keep the automotive industry and hobby alive.
Jason
What does get out and drive mean To you?
John
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