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The Great Patina Debate - A Meeting Of The Minds at C-10's In The City

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It's the middle of the night and the guys are hanging out with Grant Thome (Str8SixFan) hashing out all of the world's most pressing problems including Patina pro or con and just what constitutes acceptable Patina. 

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Just this weird guy Grant Tommy Straight 6 fan on YouTube.
So for those of you guys who don't know, John and I have just traveled 1500 miles from basically St. Stephen, NB or Bangor, ME to Atlanta, GA for the C 10s in the city we endured. The heat 85 plus degrees of Atlanta weather. What is that in Celsius? That's lot. That's like, that's like 29 degrees Celsius and. We had fun at C 10s in the city. Lots of great people, lots of great chalks, and the after show of C 10s and city. Took place at the Trackside Tavern. John, that's where all the deals are made.
That's where all the deals are made after the show. So, for those of you guys who don't know, the show was basically put on by SQR BDY, which is Rick Cheesman and his wife Sarah. Sarah is kind of the grunt behind everything that happened today.
And she means me personally. She runs the whole thing, and everyone should know.
I just wanna say typically like if we all think back to our weddings. Who actually did most of the? Work. Probably wives it was.
You know, and we've got to give them all the credit. And in this case, we got to give Sarah all the credit. We're calling this a OverDrive episode or a detour episode or a half cut episode? Do you call this?
I tried to keep it from being. A back seat of the police car episodes.
Because it's pretty easy in Atlanta. To just. Go about your friendly way and do something that you wouldn't normally do after leaving a Tavern and.
I mean hat to John. He did in fact keep us out of the. Back of a cop car. I did.
In fact, he did, but it didn't mean we didn't get into or try to get into some shenanigans.
Grant it didn't, it didn't.
It did not end well. The whole point of this this podcast is just a laid back. Few beers in.
You know, just real that way drunk history.
Recap the day.
This is like drunk history.
Well, it's an inner it's an interesting intersection, right? Cause John Monday 55IN. Well, actually have we rolled over midnight. So, day six now. Yeah, day six now, day 5 for Jason.
It is day six currently.
I flew in. Day 2 for me, I flew in. Almost or less than 24 hours ago. So, it's this really interesting. Like intersection of when we all showed up to this shenanigans, but the pinnacle, right was C10’s in the city.
So, like, if I had to ask each of you what was the biggest thing that you had to take away from the C 10s in the city? I'll give mine 1st and mine is the camaraderie, the family, the people that were involved in C 10s in the city. They really made you feel like you belong there, that no matter. No matter what, it was a. Family oriented show. Would you agree, John?
I certainly would. I know there was a lot of trucks there that were super clean. But I saw just I don't know how many trucks you think were there 250.
Easily. OK.
Out of that I saw. For real, maybe 3 trucks being trailed? Yep, is that's pretty good numbers.
Well, and in fact, I interviewed a guy and his. His name is Shannon and he only comes from a few hours away and they claim that they trailer their vehicle. I did not have the heart to tell them. That we just drove 15128 miles. To Atlanta for this show. But there was a ton of really neat trucks now. One of the conversations I had with one of the representatives from AMD was. You know when you go to these car shows today, it's a lot different today than what it was 10 to 15 years ago. When you walk into a show or you drive into a show and everything is sparkle and shine and Chrome and everything today. It's all about people appreciating original paint original scars.
Looked at the original paint.
Well, now I want to pause there for a second. So, what do you what do you? What would you guys suspect? That the percentage was of like great paint versus patina versus original paint.
I don't know what the Percentage was between the three, but I would say. Your shiny. Repainted show class vehicles was probably a very minimal percentage compared to the patina or the original painted trucks.
I would disagree slightly just because like, I mean like Mississippi mud, right is like the far extreme of. So that's Robbie's truck, one of Robbie structure of whatever the green one. The green truck is we sort of. But then there was like that the 53. That was sort of the faux patina, right? Like these? Like it was an airbrush job that was meant and they like, I don't know, I don't. I don't think that the real, genuine Patino is more than.
Gosh, 20% of the whole show.
Maybe not, but I think if you look at those guys who put their money and their time and effort into a complete restoration of these. I would say that those trucks were in the minority of full patina, patina, original paint trucks.
The ones that you're going to go out and drive and not care if it gets, you know.
The rock chips we brought this up earlier. When we were driving. Jason yeah. Now I want to hear grants opinion. For let me start here in favor or against.
I mean short answer in OK, short answer in favor, my answer is yes in favor. Real Mother Nature. Patina check. Yes, faux patina. Not for me. Touched up blended good looking rust repair Tina. I like that. I'm with that. As you can. Take a very terrible looking farm truck at these rockers. These wheelhouses needs everything. Fix the bottom half of it. And blend, patina. Blend it and people are never going to know. They're gonna go. Where'd you find that Rust free truck. They didn't realize you replaced half the bottom of it, you know. Now Grant knowing that. What is the year? That you believe patina stops being cool and just become shitty paint so. Like it's a hard.
Question right. Well, so my initial gut reaction as you were explaining all that was to Jason First off. So like I like what he did with Dale the truck, right? So like the rocker. Like the cab corners clearly needed repair. Right. So, he addressed the things that like if I don't do this now, it's only gonna get worse. But like, he's got some rust in the rear corners like behind the rear wheel wells. That's like, you know what I can. Live with that. So, Jason Trucks is 77.
Yellows. Hashtag yell at your.
I mean, yeah, yeah. Bees were great, right?
I feel like there's gotta be like a rolling again. I'm an architect by trade, starting my career in historic preservation. The IT was originally, if you wanted to be on the register, you had to be a 50 year old building. So, I feel like there's gonna be like a rolling clock. It feels like 30 years probably. To answer your question, John. OK.
So first Gen. Dodge Dakota Rusty roof paint peeling off. Lowered on big wheels is that. Is that cool?
I mean, I don't know.
994 full size RAM. First year? It's not 30 years old. Paint 9 paint peeling paint is peeling off, dodge paints flying off, clear coats coming off. Looks like hell.
Well, I think.
Or is or is it because I've already made a meme? And I took a picture of a 53 Chevy that was a field car, rusted all hell and I said is this cool? And people said no, it's a rusty piece of junk. It's farm car fuel car. I said, well, what about this one? Is the same exact car, but on the ground different attitude. Now all of a sudden people think it's cool. Does altitude affect whether or not you think patina is cool?
I think you've got to look at each individual case separately. I don't think you can draw a line at 30 years. Maybe it's 29 or 28 years old. Maybe it's 32 or 33 years old, like the thing is, you look at a vehicle. We talked about this John in a previous episode on Fox Body Mustangs with faded paint, they were known to do. Are they cool because they have patina? OK, to some degree. Maybe yes. If someone has done the chassis, done the wheels, done the tires, done the motor, done the trains, but left the body in its original condition. Is that cool? I believe. Yes, it is. But if you're driving. 84 Mustang and it's a piece of crap and it sounds like a piece of crap and the wheels are stock and the tires are dry rotted. Is that cool? Well, probably not. I think you got to look at each individual case to say whether something is cool or whether it is grant. What do you think? Well, well, I'm tempted.
To there's a case study out there. For exactly what you talk. About but don't really want to alienate that person so, but I think it this discussion, there's a nuance. This discussion where there's so there's patina, right? Like that's a category. And then there's survivor car. Right. So take my Grand Prix doesn't have. I wouldn't call it patina at all. There's really bad paint match repair on some rock chips and things like that. So I so. I think like. You know Carl Hunter in 1979? Only two years newer than your 77 square body. Like I, I think there's. I think there's a case to be made to say, well, there's survivor car and there's patina. And I think. What you just said there's a there's a time to do this case by case study and say. Patina or Survivor car, or do just paint it.
Well, and I think that we all can agree with three of us sitting here can agree that when you walk into a car show. And you see a car that's. Well, first of all, you've heard it roll in and it sounds amazing. Someone’s clearly done the engine and the exhaust to make it sound the way it does and it rolls in and maybe the paint's not 100% perfect, but then there's these guys who pull in with their. 35 year old whatever it is. And just because it's 35 years old, they think it's cool. But it's a piece of crap. There's there is certainly a line that needs to be drawn between someone who's taken the time to do minor repairs to try and keep it as original as possible. Maybe they've done the drivetrain to make it more reliable. Patina becomes a secondary part of whether that thing is cool or not, John like. I don't know.
Patina on an OBS. Chevy truck, I think I. Yes, yes or yes or no.
Yes, I think it's possible. You think you'd pull that off? I think, I think I think an OBS truck with patina can be pulled up. There's very few areas of North America that will produce natural Latina crispy, crispy. You've got the deserts of New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, maybe Florida. You know, some of those places are. Going to produce that sunburnt? Fatima, that some guys are. Looking for on. Fairly modern trucks like OBS's like. Brick nose and ball nose spores.
1st Gen. S10.
For clarity, just for the listeners out there, right. So when you say obvious Chevy, I assume you mean 80 to 80 to 98 rounds? Well, yeah, I'd say OBS because that phrase has been coined, but I call them CK's well, what I what I was getting at was like, I think there needs to be a mental mind shift to what patina means for that there. Right. So like that era of, especially the earlier, like the 88 through. Well, Paul, 92, like the clear coat, burned off super fast, right? So patina as we know it or. What you think? What? What? You probably naturally go to for something older is way different than that. 88 to 98, like, quote UN quote patina actually probably means like that. That kind of like signature. The clear coats like burning away on the hood. Right. And you.
Like you've got a dull color paint job versus the Mississippi mud that that, you know, by trucks has where the paint is not just gone, we're down to bare metal run.
And not just rust, but rust kind of fading down through the existing paint when I see patina. That's what I see is I physically see bare metal rust running down into the original color of the vehicle. Is patina clear? Coat peeling off of a. 90 Chevrolet truck.
Well, I don't know.
I personally think so. I think it's a moving target. Right. Because and I don't want to derail the whole conversation and turn it into a whole another subject matter that. That we're not talking about, but like. Jason, you and I, we did a show Once Upon a time, talking about like rat rod is the most like everybody's got a different definition or rat on means. And so I think the important thing to the discussion that we're having. Is for patina to be like this thing. You also have like the body has to be say 93% straight, right? Like. Yeah, it's gonna have some mix, some bruises and some little dents. Here and there. Like, OK, straighten the body out first before you'll live with the patina thing. And I think that is that is like, mission critical to what we're talking about.
So you don't want and CKOBS truck that looks like it's been through a hurricane and then it's on 2424 inch wheels on the ground.
Or hail Storm or hail Storm. Or something like that. I mean cause it's. You talk about. Peeling clear coat. The only reason that early patina looks good is because they have a small coat of primer and they have a. Enamel, no clear code. So now we're going post 8182. You get in the clear coat on square bodies. There were several 2 tone, dark blue light blue squares there today. That had OE clear coat peeling off of them. I didn't think they looked crap.
No, for sure, like. And again it's. It's all in in. I think if we really look back at, I mean we can describe patina as. As different things across the board. But when it comes to actually showing your truck at a car show, I think a lot of it has to do with the preservation. What did you do to make that truck? Or put that truck in a showable condition. Did you ever wash it? Well, then it doesn't belong on a show. Did you take the time to maybe. Scotch, bright it. Smooth it out. Polish it back, whatever was there. And make it at least somewhat presentable. Sure that. Is patina. So many people confused patina with simply just a ******. Paint job or whatever come out of the factory. That didn't last. Patina to me is I like my personal opinion with patina. I wouldn't call Dale my truck a patina job, a patina paint job on that car or that truck, because simply it has most of its original paint. It's not rusted through. It's not, it's not dripping down, but there's trucks out there that have the rust because the sun has physically baked off. What the factory gave? We go back into the Fifties, 60s and 70s where there was no clear coat. We were talking single stage. Some of those factory trucks got two coats of paint. If they were lucky. And it didn't take a lot of sun. To bleach them out to the point where rust happened, the paint was disappearing and that's what I call patina.
My opinion on a lot of cars and trucks. Is less altitude, more attitude because you can take a rusty looking average field car. And put it on the ground and put some cool wheels underneath it. All of a sudden it's cool up tall. It looks just like a field car. I think the height of a vehicle and attitude of the car has a lot to do with whether or not I think it's looks good as being a not shiny patina car and skipping over, making a hard left turn. Clear coated shiny patina? Yes or?
No, I wanted to divert back to the whole concept of again, I don't. I don't want turns into discussion of what is rat rod, right, but what I what? So my personal opinion of what rat rod means is like it's just it's really hard. Going back to. Like the quintessential what was post World War 2, hot rotting, and this idea of these. Like airplane mechanics or whatever, coming back from the war, and they're like, they're doing these things and they're like, the quintessential hot rodding. Right. And they're so excited they have their thing together, their rides in primer or whatever. They're not done to paint, but they just want to go. Out and hot rod the thing. To your point, John, like stance and altitude, and like the thing doesn't have to have a good looking paint job, but it could have good body like everything else is done, right? Good body work, good lines. You pop the hood. The Fender wells are paint like rattle, candy or whatever. But they did good prep work. They smoothed the fire while they did all these things. The interiors got like just this. ********, like leather interior, every like everything else is done. I don't want to discredit what this person has done for the whole composition of what the right is like the suspension like they four linked it, they coil over. It's like. Everything else is done right, like it's still hard. It's still they, they. They did it. I'm not going to discredit it just because it doesn't have, like, the candy apple. Red, Pink job on it.
Well and to that point, like today at that show, if we're using the 250 trucks that we that we saw as a as a kind of a benchmark of the number of. Trucks that were. There, like I saw a few trucks. That were. Quote UN quote, fall patina.
And that that's a no for me.
No, it's a no for me as well.
And what's three? If you're, if you're gonna go through the effort to. Do all the like that.
What did that truck look like before you? In my opinion, effed up. Like was the original paint in rough condition or quote UN quote patinaed. Previous to you grinding. Down the paint that was there to bare metal to try and make it look like it was rusted like. I don't want again, like you said, Grant, I don't want to discredit these people. Who took the time and effort to do that? But in my opinion it probably looked better before you took your grinder and your DNA to it. John, what do?
You think I think that 100% I think that there is one place out there. That's doing blended patina. Or full vehicle faux patina to make it look like Mother Nature. Has done it, and that's St.
And we like. There was a couple of trucks there that you could tell. I mean I shouldn't say you could tell, but I trained. I could tell that that was not the way nature intended, that patina look. But they did a very. Very good job. At trying to mimic what Mother Nature intended that to do, and in order to preserve that some of the trucks, probably half a dozen or more that I saw in fact tried to seal in that. Full or Mother Nature looking patina with a satin type, clear coat or even a gloss clear coat to try and maintain what either Mother Nature had done or what they had intended to look like. Mother Nature had done Grant. I don't know what you but. There was a few trucks there that. Presentable with the full ish patina.
So two thoughts like one like again in the in the effort to suck up to you. Like with Dale Truck like there's again. There's a difference between like blending, which I think you did right, like you like. OK, I I've got to make this cab corner repair. I've got to make it like, you know, you got to like match. Like the character of the truck, right. So there's blending and then again, I'm going to reach back to my as an architect in historic preservation. Years ago, there's the idea of. Me and everything's got a story to tell. And so when I clear coat, the patina of this truck, it's encapsulating. Or like dude, this trucks had a rough life. It's been through. It was, you know, in 1954 it was actually, you know, hauling seed bags from the feed mill. You know, out to. We're in Georgia, right? So we're planting cotton or whatever, right. And it. Then after when Uncle Buck couldn't tune a carb and sat out in the pasture for then then 30 years and just sat out there and baked in the sun. And all this stuff. Like that's another thing and. I mean, I think there's something just valuable about let's preserve the story that needs to be told about the history of this trip.
For sure. And I and I think one thing that I believe that. The three of us can agree on is that. Patina. True patina only happens. One way, and that's with mother. Nature am I, am I right?
With that well, of course, I mean it's natural, it's no different than people try to copy. Patina. Copper. You can do whatever you want to, but copper real copper patina looks like the Statue of Liberty. It's green and it's striped and it's bright white and it's all sorts of colors. I think there's people out there that are trying to replicate what they believe, Mother Nature. They've done no research and they grab a red brown rattle can and they're like, OK here, little here, little here little. Your little. And it looks like your 4 year old did. And that drives me up a wall.
Yeah, there's very, there's very few people out there that can and I can't name any names by all means, but there's very few people out there that can mimic. With a rust repair like you said with Dale Truck having to do the cab corners rockers, there's very few people that can mimic. The natural progression of mother nature's patina on a truck, Dale is in pretty. Good shape. It's got a few necks and a few scratches here and there, but being able to do the cab corners and rocker panels and match the paint of the time was fairly simple. I didn't have a lot of patina. Necessarily, to have to mimic, but there's guys out there that are doing roof rail repairs or door sill repairs or whatever that they're trying to mimic. The patina truck came with. And failing. But you look at Mississippi mud on the Ubt truck and all the repairs that they did with that was firewall, cab corners and rockers. Down where the paint already was and not where the patina had got to. So when they did the repairs, it was like, oh, we don't even notice that you did repairs. Because all the. Patina is on the hood, the roof and the top of the bed rails. And it's already naturally blended into the existing paint that was there, so. You know, I appreciate guys who try to blend in, the mother nature's patina. But guys who physically will sand down the paint to get the bare metal to try and make it look like it bleeds. Guys, you've really got to know what? You're doing. To make it look like it was meant to be, because otherwise. In my opinion. You kind of look like a fool.
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Grant you're G body guy, right? Well, sure presently. Presently sure. You know, I'm a pretty die hard G body guy. At a show. Would you walk up to? A g body that was a pro touring car that had a leather interior in it and great wheel and a finished engine compartment and Mother Nature patina. Would you look at that or would you? That doesn't carry over to? That type of vehicle with you.
That's interesting because like through this discussion, I was thinking long and hard about like, sure.
That's what she said.
So while we're up his airbrush artists, I think on Instagrams like Sin City FX or something like at some point in time, right, like if you're.
That's all right.
Like I'm thinking of Steve Darnell's, one of his like semi rollback like you know, he adds a sleep sleeper cab to like at some point if you want, homogenize or make a consistent like composition like maybe there's a time and a place. To do the. Faux patina, I guess. But like as you said, I Once Upon a time, loved the idea about like this. This idea for my, for my Grand Prix, right, like this thing came out of this like toxic, like do that do that. Like rust is dripping. But I wasn't meaning it as like it already has a problem my, my grand priority has a problem with like just freckles of rust all over the place, right in a bad paint match. Well, would it be easier to hire an airbrush artist to like solve that problem? Like to cover up the actual rest and then like have a layer of paint to look like fake rust, like dripping down? And I remember on YouTube when I suggested this like I got multiple dude please do not do that that is like. That's a disaster, so I guess I'm drawn to your, to your point. I've mixed emotions on. Gosh, I don't know. I don't know if it's the. Right. Move or not and I think that's what this discussion is about.
I I've seen several disco era muscle cars, you know, second Gen. That were sun baked like let's just pick one 76, 78 Z28 Camaro baked off paint baked on stripes. All that crap I've seen one of those as a pro touring car that's got a brand new interior. I saw one on Power tour. Why did I look? At it, it was a field car falling apart. But somebody put all the G chassis stuff underneath. It had an LS in it. They built this whole car and it was beautiful. But the paint was falling apart. GM, you could see the yellow urethane through the bumpers. The tail looked terrible. All the stripes were on it, but they were on it, original and burned. To me, that was. Hot 
Talk a little bit about what? You were saying there? I'm pretty sure you meant the Zed-28, but at the same time. But we continue. To talk about patina and whether full patina or. Real Mother Nature patina is good like her. So my thoughts are Mother Nature. You can't match it. But B, if you're going to try and fall patina, you better be damn good.
Well, or I think there has to be a really good reason to do it right? Like so, if you had a truck build that there was never A4 door Crew Cab version. Of like a 50s. You know, like a little say, a Chevy 3100. Like, hey, we're going to make the crew have version of the 1957 thirty 100 or what? Whatever. Then I get it like you have to like blend it you have to. Like make it but.
But in that.
Same token though. Grant you you've also got to be able to make it look. Natural there's a lot of guys that will just sand down to bare metal, spray their little salt and vinegar concoction on it, let it run down and say, oh wow, that looks original.
Well, I'm just saying, like if you if you go, sister another cab to cab and the ones green and the other one's red and there's metal working involved, like at some point like I can't want to make this all look homogeneous, right.
But again, I'm just saying, if you're going to try and fake it. You better be damn good.
My biggest thing is as an artist. The best place, if anybody's listening to this and wants to do faux patina. First of all, stop it. Second of all, if you must trudge forward. Go to YouTube. Get a book, do whatever you need to find some pictures of weathered military models from World War 2. Go to YouTube and take those techniques that they use in scale to weather tank treads to make rust appear. All sorts of things. There are thousands of ideas that are for model cars that you can take. And they scale up. To do faux patina on a full size car. Also start on a hot wheel. Yes, start on a die, cast start on something. If you can make it look like Mother Nature intended. On a die cast, you can take those same skills and you can scale them up on a full size vehicle. Don't practice on your main project is. There, that's exactly what I'm saying. It's very important. Don't run off. Try it. If you've never done it before, don't attack your mom's station wagon with a Sander and then tell me that it's. A rat rod.
So I want to reset the conversation a little bit because I think it's a little bit of a disservice to what the. Data was right, like we're at C10’s in the city.
Go ahead. Yeah, we got a little.
We got a little off. No, I mean it's a. It's a great conversation. Like I want they do want to like book in this conversation. I think it's still the one that needs to be like let's finish it out. Right, let's talk about it a little bit more, but I do want to like just make sure we hit on the efforts that Sarah and almost certainly and Rick did. That this this thing. Together, something so done so well, that nut job Jason decided. Hey, let's start 1500. Miles this thing right. But like John, when you were asking about the G body, right, like, what would you like this whole concept of teenager body power nation? Right. So the Detroit muscle did a fox body build like in the square the 4I version right before the arrow? And they did like this patina. Like we're gonna. We're gonna paint it flat black, and then we're gonna spray some red on it. Some orange red on it and like, like. If you're gonna try it hard to paint like because you're a paint and body guy, right? You're gonna try that hard to paint. And he did all the body work to do all these things. Like just paint. It right, I guess.
And make it shine or whatever, yeah.
Right is where I'm at and I'm like, patinas cool. I'm pro patina, right? But like as well established here. Mother Nature, that's the best job doing it. So Fox, you know, I think you know my two bills, right? Were Fox body Fairmont and G body. So John, I'll, I'll bounce it back to you is. Trying too hard there on the if you're familiar with that. Bill, I guess, yeah.
Yeah, I I'm going to go ahead and say yes, trying too hard. I think it was jumping on a bandwagon kind of thing. Do your best with what you have. Please don't sand the paint off your mom's station wagon. Please don't run out and buy a late model Honda and only take the paint off the hood. You know that type of stuff. Please stop building what somebody tries to force a rat rod. Late model. BMW 4 door. Just my opinion. It's a hard line to walk it really is.
It certainly is, and I mean so much. So that warranted this conversation that we're having today, you know? And like Grant said, we don't want to take away from the fact that we saw a very a very well organized. An awesome turnout of a show at C 10s in the city, 2023 Atlanta. I can only see this particular show growing beyond what it was this year. And probably tenfold in very short years to come. Sarah and Rick have done a an awesome job at what they do with this show. I mean, shoot they got me. Motivated to drive down the truck 1500. Miles and put up. With me and put up with John.
And soon grant. Well, yeah. I mean, as you said, as you said the, you know, car community have had like one of the comments earlier is how accepting people, I mean I'm the resident Ford guy right here. Yeah, like it was. We're at the bar. We're at the Trackside Tavern and it's all just like, I mean it's networking, that's networking and we're buds, we're swapping.
And it wouldn't matter whether you were a Ford guy, a dodge guy, a Toyota guy, whatever happened to be right when you're part of a community. Everyone's together. I don't know how many. Times in the last. Four or five days. Somebody has reached out to me and. Said hey, if you need anything. Call me or reach out to me because if I can't help you, I know somebody that can. How amazing is that? Over a 1500 mile span that there's. That much of A community willing to look after one person.
Maybe they haven't met you.
Yet apparently they have not. Maybe that's why they want to help. Either way you look. At it.
Come to the. It's the beard. It's gotta. Be a beard. No matter how you look at it, it's community related. I think if you're a Ford Mustang guy or narrow it down even further to a fox body community, those guys are going to look after each other. If you're G body community, they're going to look after you if you're. It doesn't matter. C 10s square bodies that generation like we saw everything today. 50s model. Trucks all the way up to 90s model obs's and we were all part of the same community, no matter which direction we were coming from, it didn't matter whether you were white, black, Latino, whatever, all of those people were there today to be a part of 1 community to come together. And share their love and their experience of C 10s and Chevy truck.
Well, just real. Quick, maybe it's worth going around the horn or where the maybe the top two trucks that stood out for everybody and if you can't decide, we'll give you an honorable mention, right. So, John, we'll start with you. Top two trucks and honorable mention if you got one.
Hard to say. I can probably say I liked. The Blue Crew Cab square duel. That was on 20 Q Alcoa. Absolutely, that would have been one of my top.
Two, I think that's, you know. And it. Definitely unanimous that. So in a square body truck, the matter of the year, I mean square bodies over the course of their lifetime spared what, 15 plus years depending on. Whether it's a suburban or a blazer. Black color those two colors, the light blue and the dark blue. Is a personal favor. Of mine and to see that on a. Crew cap long box, Dually. Alcoa's. Slammed to the ground. Like if that's not turn on for a truck. Don't know what? It is that. Truck did it for me and before I had the opportunity to. Get back to the owner to talk. To him or her, it was gone.
John #2 on your. 
I would probably have to say the Blue Square. That was a very smooth street rod build that was sitting next to us in the VIP row. Oh, yes, with the rear window had no frame. It was. It's flush glass. Flush glass, no door handles. He made a lot of parts because he's a machinist and. He works for, I think it's.
Joe Gibbs. Joe Gibbs?
And he's. He's in fabrication and in Joe Gritton Joe Gibbs team. And he got billet parts for the dashboard. He didn't like how they. He either made his own or he modified the parts that he bought from a company. And he built his dash two or three times. His seats look like some super fantastic, you know, High Zoot Bang zoom seats. And their late model Chevy seats with the tops cut off. And he's a a builder and an owner. That took all sorts of things and just tightened them up. That truck was smooth. I mean, it had smooth. Call the grill fit in fabulous. He made his own marker lights in the front just the way the thing fit and all the attention to detail with him not being a body man and paint guy and everything as a career. I think him having his hands on that it is a wonderful truck.
And if you guys want. To check that truck out. I've got some video on my YouTube channel, old car guy, but also you can follow him on Instagram. It's Brownell_fabrication is how you can find that truck and check out all the neat stuff that he's done with that truck. I think we all agreed that the Crew Cab. Chevy Square body was our probably one of our top two. If I had to give a second one, one of my favorites of that show. There was, I believe, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, John, I think. It was a 50. 4 Chevy slammed the ground was. On bags, it had a satin. Clear coat over the patina.
What color was?
It was like a bluish color.
Sitting in the middle of the show. And he had it running a couple of times and grant I mentioned to you we were walking away from it and he had started up it. Oh, it just. It rumbled. So smooth. Had a very distinct. Sound to it and it was airbagged. And he was, you know, begging it up and down a couple of times. That probably was my second choice as one of my two favorites of that show, grant, what did you see that really struck your?
Also, I mean, yeah, I'm thinking of three. Top my head, but first and 2nd. Obviously straight 6 fan right? So Rick introduced me to for his Jonathan who swapped out. I mean really going after my heart here swapped out Millis motor in favor of a 250 inch and line 6 Chevy and like Rick. It was just. Like he went out his way to mention how they drove it from, you know, here this region to Texas and back, no problems. And you know it's that reliability being like 6, but it wasn't just that it was the fact that in that his wasn't the only truck of the show that had had this like. Subtle metal Flake to it. So it's like a champagne color and you really want to have realized it had metal like until you were about four feet up on the paint job. So I really love these, like, subtle rewards once you get close you see something else. But he had built a center console when he had the US in there, and it was at Once Upon the time, I think, a. Column shift truck. Moved it to an electronic. Tilt Column or something that he couldn't do the column shift so he custom fabricated A shifter below the driver seat that looked like basically lever you would do to move your driver seat you know slide it front and back. It was just like those custom elements that it was just like, OK, this is all right, all right, this is next level. So that's number one for me. #2 is probably. There was a. You know, very common in this, this this realm is. Easier to find long bed, single cabs and then you do the shorten it up to a short bed. But there was a guy with the C20, so innate load truck that did this and so I don't know that kind of stood out to me. So those are probably my 1:00 and 2:00. My honorable mention would go to. There was a C60 at the. Show that was really, really good.
Looking truck. Yeah. So let, let's. Let's try and start to put. Cap on this episode of the Get Up. That podcast, and I'm going to share kind of my biggest experience of C 10s in the city, 2023 and that was. And John, you could attest to this a little bit is I don't know how many times. People would see my truck. And see my license plate. That said, New Brunswick, Canada. And say ohh you're that guy.
Well, what happened when they were washing the washing the truck? Yeah, we were there 2 1/2 minutes.
They were. We pulled it.
And they're like, oh, holy crap, you're back. That's in you're that.
Guy, that guy. And then when I got to find a place to Park, Sarah was there and she said, oh, no. We're going to put you in the VIP section. And I'm thinking. Like I'm like. Why? I'm just a I'm. I'm just another guy with a truck, but because I chose to drive all the way from Canada 1,528 miles. They knew I was coming and they spread the word, John. They were sharing our Instagram stories all week long. The whole trip down. And at least a dozen. People knew who I was just because Rick and Sarah were sharing our stories. And they knew we were coming.
That goes back to the camaraderie.
Absolutely. That was my biggest take away from this show was. That we are. Truly a community and that people are looking out for you and that they're willing to put you out there. Because of one little. And for me, that one little. Thing was, I'm from Canada.
Well, I mean to that point like it, it proves the camaraderie is more than nationwide.
Absolutely. Yeah, it's international.
Well, next year I can see us sponsoring the get out and drive long distance Hauler award.
Hey, absolutely. You know we sponsor it just because it's us doesn't mean. We can't be a part of it. Grant, what did you find to be one of your biggest experiences of the C 10s again?
Well, did they? The experience. So, you know, we're at the Trackside Tavern in, gosh, what's the suburb we're in? What's the little? OK. So you know, mob steel Emma on is staggering like. The fact that. She actually acknowledged that. Oh, yeah, I know. I've chatted with you and the ends like, but it's great to finally meet you. I'm like, no, I just assumed you were like I just assume she probably feels random Deans. On the use, right? So the fact that she's like, no, it I had submitted when I was doing my Fairmont build like they were doing a virtual car show during COVID. So it's 2023, that was 2023. We finally meet each other for the first time. It's like, oh, no. I remember your video composition. And I'm like, wait, what? So that like for me it's like again I'm. I'm the black sheep right here, right, the Ford guy. The fish out of water like and someone very prominent in this whole scene, you know, with the Detroit steel wheels. Recognizes me and truly blown away. John, your big take away from the day this, this whole experience.
Look how lottery and. Talking with Eddie. Cabredo, Andy and he was extremely helpful. That we talk to much different key people and talking with the Bobby T. Just getting us. Involved and saying, hey, these guys are cool. Hey, have you talked to these guys and then this person invites you to talk to this person, invites you to talk to this person. And in its network. 100% and I think that's comradery and networking and there's so many channels that I follow that I constantly repost their stuff. That helps them. Anybody and everybody that I can help bring them up and repost everything and keep them going, I saw that at this show today. Anytime you'd be like, Oh yeah, you. Know here I'm. John Getting drug podcast and I'm always promoting that I'm showing my details and everything done and I'm throat. People off and suspension, they reach into their pocket and they do a detail swap and it was instant that people like. Yeah, that's cool. Here's my stuff off. My stuff and people whip their phone out and they're like. Hang on one. Oh ****, I really follow you. And they're. Like, oh, hang on. I don't follow you on this platform and they're they were instantly. That that's what my taking. That's what I saw.
So some things. Up, I think we can all agree on a couple of things. So one is that natural patina wins the game. 100% of the. Time I think we can also agree that no matter what form of platform. You happen to be a part of that when you get together. People come together. And become a community and offer to help. They're very friendly. Different cultures get together no matter what it happens to be. In this case today, it just happened to be C10s well, artists are obviously united.
By united by trucks. And that's kind. Of the whole. Point of this show today. Do I C10s in the city becoming more of a UBT you gotta buy trucks, type of a show?
Quite possible.
I wouldn't want to put my name on that by no means, but at the end of the day, I think that we can all agree we had a great time. We saw a lot of really nice trucks and that Rick and Sarah put on a really great.
Show. Yeah, that that was the thing I wanted to lean into a little more. Is that #3 Rick and Sarah? We all, if they're truly were 250 trucks there today, right? Like 250 people. We got to really enjoy themselves based off of the hard work, the planning. And I think that stuff goes unnoticed sometimes and can't say enough about. Thank you. Thank you, Rick and Sarah for putting this on, for giving us a destination today.
Yeah, absolutely. And the whole point of the show today was to support pink fund. Cancer, cancer awareness. They were giving away some door prizes and some of those one of those door prizes even said half cancer basically because we that they're doing everything they can because Sarah had her bout with breast cancer that they wanted to make sure that that. They could raise some money to help others in. In need and you know, like I said, when I was interviewing Sarah 2 great things, one was a really great Chuck show. Two was for a really good cause, so I think we can kind of put a pin in that and say thank you to Rick and Sarah for such a great show for such a great cause, and we hope that maybe next year. Get out and Drive podcast and be. Part of it again.
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