Ugliest Car Design EVER?!? - A Detour Episode

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Was the 1967-71 Thunderbird Four Door the ugliest car EVER? The guys will  dive into this and you'll know more about the 1967-71 Thunderbird than you ever wanted to know.


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John 

That is the worst car, uh short of, a Yugo, that. That is the worst car ever designed. 

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Jason 

Well, I did. Have something I wanted to run by you, John. I know that you know cars, and I know that you know details about cars that are, most people just don't know. 

John 

You pronounced ridiculous and stupid and useless wrong. 

Jason 

I'm sorry. If you were to have. The ugliest. Thunderbird ever to exist? What year would it be? 

John 

Oh man. Hands down, 1968 through 70. 

Jason 

Yes, it is. Of course it is because they were 4 door suicide doors. They had that ugly snout on them. But what was? The one thing that came on a 1965 Thunderbird that was the absolute best thing to ever happen to a car. Name it. What engines? 

John 

Or what engine? 

Jason 

What engine? 

John 

And Fe. 

Jason 

429. 

John 

Well, yeah. The Fe is a 429 that stands for friggin enormous. I I may I may break a few hearts and I don't care but. That is the worst car short of Yugo that that is the worst car ever designed. And and I'm and I'm. And I'm even saying. That is the worst car, the worst looking car I've ever seen. Even after a 58 Packard so or or a 58 Studebaker because that is some stuck on platypus looking. I I I have I have they have to be the people that that, that designed a 58 Studebaker it is a platypus by the way. And and that car, those people are the fathers and grandfathers of the absolute goofballs that design cars, Chrysler. From the 60s and. Companies. I said it. 

Jason 

Or are you talking are? 

John 

Let the let the hate mail. 

Jason 

You talking about the AMC? 

John 

Pull, pour in. Go ahead. 

Jason 

Are you talking about the AMC? That looks like it got punched in? The lip and like a. 

John 

Well, if if you consider if if you can. 

Jason 

Jaw swollen lip. 

John 

Well, if you consider a Studebaker and a Packard and everything AMC because we all know what AMC stands for, it's all makes. 

Speaker 

It's fine. 

John 

It's just everything, absolutely everything, and that is AMC is just the platypus. Of of of vehicle makes. So let's go there. And why were you asking me about Thunderbird anyway? 

Jason 

Well, we totally got sidetracked on that one. Didn't we? 

John 

I don't care. 

Jason 

Here, here's what I'm getting. At OK, the whole point is, is that you take the ugliest car in existence in 1965 and. You put the. Biggest, most impressive power plant in this car. 

John 

You you say impressive meaning. 

Speaker 

You know. 

John 

Impressive amount of. Amount of space but horsepower did not happen in the. 

Jason 

No, it did not, but. 

John 

That thing couldn't get out of its own way. 

Jason 

But we're we're pretty smog. In an ugly car. So if if said car was. 30,000 mile car. And in decent condition driver condition. What's what's the value on something like that? 

John 

What is the and and and you want to say a value of that car? I mean it's it's probably worth 30 grand if it has 50 grand in the glove box. Hang on, because you have to hack your. Way past the ugliness of the car to get. The money it is. It is disgusting. I mean in in my eyes, unless it's painted like Larry Watson's purple and Silver Thunderbird, they stopped making good looking Thunderbirds in 57. 

Jason 

Thunderbirds never should have a 4 door. 

John 

That's that's correct. When they went from little birds. To 4 seaters. I mean that's that's when I hear the music from the prices, right. That boom. Boom, boom, boom. OK. I just I hear the music and it's terrible. But anyway, going ahead. 

Jason 

So without without saying. That John was right. We both could agree that 1967 was. 

John 

Because because John, because John was right. You can say it. Go ahead. I'm sorry. 

Jason 

Oh, I can't. I will not. 1967 was ugly car nevertheless. I have the ability right now to pick one of these cars up 67 four door 429. 

John 

Did you lose a bet? 

Jason 

As bad Chad would say in my brain. I'm thinking that what the fella is asking for the car. 

John 

OK. 

Jason 

Quite possibly could be. The value of one of these engines. To the right buyer. OK, there's a lot of. There's a lot of four guys out there diehard Ford, guys, they're looking for these big 429 engines. 

John 

Right. 

Jason 

Course they want the big boss engine out of The Mustangs and Cobras. 

John 

Right, right. 

Jason 

But would they be interested in buying this engine for? They're standard V6 or V8 Mustang. Guess I didn't have the six. 

John 

Well, I'm. I'm I'm guessing I'm guessing any Fe. Is is it good Fe? The only thing better than an Fe. Is an Mel. You know Mel stands for incorrectly Mercury Edsel Lincoln and that's that's starting. You know it is very similar to a 352, you know big block but Mel is. 

Jason 

I do not. 

Speaker 

OK. 

John 

Mercury Lincoln. 

Jason 

FFE was Ford. 

John 

No, Fe doesn't have any other kind of don't believe Ford Fe has any connotation other than Fe and and what I said earlier stands for frigging enormous. 

Jason 

Doesn't have any importance to me. 

John 

But but that's, but that's fine, but it is your is your hypothetical. Only a face could a mother could love, Thunderbird, Is it low mileage? 

Jason 

It is. It's a it's like 30,000 mile. 

John 

Why wouldn't rip it apart? If it's 30,000 miles? I mean, here's the engines. Not not been running forever. I mean, is it currently running car? 

Jason 

No. So so. Where we're going with this. It will. It will bottle feed so it will run. 

John 

There you go. I I think that it would be worth more. 

Jason 

OK. 

John 

There's a lover of Thunderbirds that are 4 doors with hideaway headlights. And and I think it'd probably be better as a shoe. Shine and flip. Then then, then. Ripping the engine out of it because it's a low horsepower Fe. 

Jason 

So here's our here's our train of thought. I've spoke to you before about. Changing direction of our used car dealership looking for certain flips. Now somebody of my dad's. Experience may look at a 67 Ford Thunderbird and think you know, wow, what a great car, and there's probably 110,000 other guys my age that would love to have that car. And I look at it and I can't. Get over how ugly. It is leaving it to me a lot less. Desirable so. If a fella, could pick. That car up for $2500 Canadian, that's like. $1900 US. 

John 

OK. 

Jason 

Bring it back like you said. Spit shine Polish. Get it running under its own power. Is there a market for that car? To to make significant dollars. 

John 

Yes, and and we can use our trusty little black rectangle and we can go to haggerty.com and they have vehicle values. And after I accept all cookies. Average condition. As a #3 car, $14,000. Yeah, that's US. Yes. That's not metric money. 

Jason 

Times 1.32, loonies. That's eighteen and a half, thousand dollars, man. 

John 

Right. So we'll go. We'll go there. I mean, most recent sale of that car of an average average. 4 door Thunderbird is $8000 with the value of these vehicles and those it depends on the options, but most of them were high option cars, hideaway headlights, power steering, power brakes, power door locks, power windows. They were usually jammed with everything you could possibly. Jam into a car because they were. Trying to stuff. This ugly luxury car down our throats. I I think it'd be a very good car. Especially if it has low mileage and if you have remote documentation or low mileage or any kind of paperwork that says it's has that can verify you know, provenance of low mileage, I think you could push that and. I think it. Would sell well. 

Jason 

I think you've changed my mind, John, that I've got to look at used antique vehicles from a different perspective. It's not always about what I think, it's about the perceived or it's about the perception of the potential buyers looking at these things. If I could get this thing bought. Cleaned up, polished and sell it for 8000 US I'd be more than happy, but we've got to get it bought. We've got to get it here. Before we can do anything and if you guys are listening to this. And you want to follow along some of these ventures of buying cars and cleaning them up and getting them ready. Make sure you stay tuned because we're going to be posting some of these videos up on our YouTube channel and also on my own YouTube channel for in depth longer, longer form content and we'll just see start to finish. What happens to these cars? We buy them, get them cleaned up and get them sold. John, I appreciate your input. 

John 

Ohh I I voluntarily give my input to some people it's it's it's like sometimes they they. Just to have to hear what I say and it's their fault for sitting down next to me for long enough that. I could tell them. 

Jason 

I'm just glad I don't have to have supper. With you every night. Well. 

John 

That's true. I was. I was. I was. I was taught not to talk with my mouth full. So my wife just keeps feeding me and and remember, even if we have some listeners that are that are new to our podcast. The only reason that I we have a podcast. Is so other people get to listen to what I have to ramble on about and not just my immediate family. 

Jason 

And folks, you don't even have to pay for this subscription so. You're going. 

Speaker 

Did you? 

Jason 

To get free information whether you. Like it or you don't. 

John 

Yeah, that's that's. Exactly correct, Jason, just for fun, I'm going to log into my account on barrett-jackson.com. And I'm going to see what a current. 4 door Thunderbird sold for stand by. 

Jason 

And while John's doing that, folks, if you were to run over to racingjunk.com right now and see what they had for Ford Thunderbirds, you'd see that they had eighteen of them listed right now. Unfortunately, they don't have a 67 that we can compare, but there's 18 Ford Thunderbirds there. Head on over to racingjunk.com. And also get rid of. 

John 

Yours and you know how much prices have increased in the past few years? OK, let's just randomly go to bear. Jackson, look for a 67 Ford Thunderbird 4 door hardtop. 

Speaker 

Ohh yes. 

John 

Sold no reserve in 2016 for $14,300. 

Jason 

And that's in 2016 prices. 

John 

That's in 2016. Multiply that times the current surge in general's general surge in pricing. 

Jason 

You'll see where I'm at and that's that's a three second search for sure for sure. So I guess the big thing is, is to get myself. One of the big things that I'm finding is that the US and the Canadian markets are so different, not just with late model vehicles but with antiques and hot rods and and muscle cars and trucks and all this stuff. So having those available. And like you said, it's a two-minute 2 second search. On all these different sites, to find out what some of the values are, and that's my target audience. For those of you who don't know, Canada is a population of 36 million people. the US has 10 times that. That and such a much larger market, a lot more people to sell to. And when you're dealing in antique vehicles, folks getting vehicles across the border is a. It's a breeze. There's really nothing to it as long as you've got a title and a bill of sale, you are good to go, so don't worry about that. You know the same thing when we're buying cars in the US, that's something we'll be looking at doing too, is doing a little bit of traveling and and going down there. So yeah, I appreciate the help. I appreciate the input. You know if. You guys want to hear some of these stories, let us know, head on over to our website, getoutanddrive.com head our. Listener hotline and. Tell us what you'd like us to talk. About on some of these episodes, we'd love to hear from you. 

John 

Adjacent current pricing right now on classiccars.com, which is a Barrett Jackson owned site. Which is also auto hunter. OK. Which we write for? 67 Thunderbird right now, $15.5k. For Sale 67, Thunderbird $16.9k. 67 Thunderbird $18.6k. I could go on and on. Not a loser. 

Jason 

So not a loser at 2500 bucks. 

John 

No, Sir. I sink a little bit of Polish and and some love and know what you have in it. And stick it on and we can even put it on. Classiccars.com. Or we could put it on AutoHunter. 

Speaker 

Right. 

John 

Racing junk. Whatever you know, Auto Hunter has a, you know, all the. Stuff that we write. You know they have auctions, and bring a trailer, that type of stuff and I'm and I'm seeing easy. I'm not seeing anything that's below $12,000. And all. 

Jason 

Well, we'll have to get there and take a look at it. We're just going by the information we. Gathered on on a. Phone call from the son of the 90 year old man that owns the car. So if a 90 year old man owns a 67. 

John 

Is that gets the. Not been fooled with. 

Speaker 

No, and. 

John 

That's probably the best thing. 

Jason 

And with only 30,000 miles on it, chances are that the chances are very high. He may be the original owner. 

John 

That's very possible. 

Jason 

So we've got to get that stuff. 

John 

And and and if and if you have any way to get a vehicle like that or anything that's low mileage always always get anything that shows provenance of the car. Like any receipts, paperwork, anything that shows in 1978, the thing had 17,000 miles on it or whatever. Something that shows provenance on the mileage, because that will that will drive the price up. 

Jason 

Oh, sure. 

John 

Yeah, especially if it is original owner, especially if you have a warranty card with his name on it, you know, and anything just absolutely anything like that shows provenance. 

Jason 

And I'm not just talking about that vehicle any any vehicle and this this one is quite special one off. I had a hard time. Accepting the fact that we even wanted to go look at it just because I have would never have any desire to never even ride in one of those things, let alone. Own one. 

John 

No, I. Most of them have low mileage for one reason. It's because the owners never want anybody to see. Them in it. 

Jason 

Are we still recording Paul? 

John 

That's that's why most of those Thunderbirds are found with low mileage. They're great cars, they're just the owner. Never wanted to be seen in it. 

Jason 

So as a side note as well, my wife's my wife's uncle on her father's side lives right here in town and he has one. I don't know what year it is it. Is a 4-door Did they make them for just a couple of years? 

John 

6789 seventy is vague to me. 

Jason 

I don't remember his is his is even worse. Because it's green. With the black Landau roof or. OK, whatever. Vinyl roof. And he's even got the little. Did they all have that little freaking funeral coach little. 

John 

Those are those are Landau bars. But yes, yes. Well, that helps that you can. Have people hold on to those while. They're pushing it when it breaks down. Are we going to the? 

Jason 

A&W drive in, like in a hearse like, is that the point that we're trying to make? Like I I I want to be a funeral director, but I can't afford a coach, so I'm going to drive the 67 Thunderbird. With these hand rails on the side. 

John 

Oh, my God. Right. Just put running boards on the side of it and you can have the Secret Service run along next to you. That's, that's all. That's what it's all about. You thought it was a hokey pokey? It's it's not. That's what it's all about. Yep, of the absolute stupid cars from the malaise era. I really, really, really want a '70, I think they're 75,77. A Pontiac Can AM. That that is the most decal horsepower, underpowered, 115 horsepower V8. Malaise era smog. Controlled mess of a vehicle. It's ridiculous. It's it's. It's just like having, like, a 78 Volare Roadrunner. It's just decal horsepower. I'm sorry. 

Jason 

Prevent each party. Were they an H-body like, were they Vega's or what? 

John 

No, no, no. It was a it was. It was a full size. 

Jason 

It was basically a Grand Prix with decals. 

John 

It is, it is. But they're. But they're shaker hood. 455 tail, but they're they're 100% decal horsepower, malaise era. 

Jason 

So it is an A body car. 

John 

It is an A-body car, just malaise era. You know, Five mile an hour, bumpers, everything you never wanted in a car. But I I like them because of the shaker hood. Because of the stripes. Of it is absolutely everything. It's trying to be a muscle car, but it's a disco muscle car and it is a terrible car. 

Jason 

Yeah, let's not forget the louvers on the quarter windows. 

John 

That's correct. Color keyed sport mirrors and the and the trunk lid spoiler and and all and all that jazz. It's it's, it's, it's gross, but it's fun. I think it's 77, 78 again, I'd have to look it up. We're going in the depths of John's mind we have. A wheel flares. Very NASCAR inspired blue petty blue Volare. 

Jason 

Yeah, Aspen RT. 

John 

Yes, that's correct. 

Jason 

Aspen RT had the flares as one of those here in town. 

John 

That's correct. There was a black one with orange stripes that was running around where I was, but they, but they made some. 

Jason 

It's it's blue. 

John 

That were petty. Blue Wheel opening moldings RT had all the RT. dress, but it was the Richard Petty edition with a giant 43 on the side of it. 

Jason 

Nice. I drive that. 

John 

That is, again, a terrible car, but I mean, it's just NASCAR inspired. 

Jason 

Yep, I drive it. 

John 

That thing is BADASS decal horsepower the whole way. Disco muscle car. It is a mess of a. Are but in my eyes of the malaise era, that's top of the. Heat. It's pretty clean. 

Jason 

And for the record. I resemble that remark about the you go. I'm just saying. 

John 

Oh, I bet. If you go run out of power, you just pull it back till it. Clicks right and then you can. 

Jason 

More and you just let. 

John 

It go you just you rub that thing on the garbage, rub it on the carpet. It runs all day. I saw it was a long time ago. They had some sort of. Like a car show in the auto show here in Saint Louis. And I think it was probably around 93, 94 and they had Yugos, and they gave them to art students, and they turned them on their side and they made telephone booths out of them. One person made a big giant telephone out of it. They split one in half and they made one look like a sandwich. they just did all sorts of crazy things to these Hugos and and I thought that was pretty much like the best thing for them. You know, I'm and I'm. I'm fine with that, you know, run them to the shredder, making Chinese hammers out of them. But that's just me. Other people like that type of vehicle. Some people may not have taste. 

Jason 

You're an ass. 

John 

Look, man, if we all like the same thing there. Wouldn't be enough to go around? 

Jason 

No, that's right. 

John 

I mean, that's fine. I drive a maverick. And I get it. And I'd love to trade my maverick for a Mustang 2 Cobra again, Malaise era garbage. All right. Well, let's wrap this up because I'll end up talking all night. 

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Jason 

Oh  

John 

You are correct. Yeah, because I was thinking that when it was. 

Jason 

Sorry, I didn't catch that last little bit. You said there. 

John 

That you were. 

Jason 

Right. Ohh yes. Sorry I just. 

John 

Well, yeah, you were right. I'm not. I'm not underneath saying you're right. That's just your problem pretty much. 

Jason 

No, no, the the difference between you and. Me is that you are always right. 

John 

Right, right. Pointing to the cheap seats. I see.  

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