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Used Cars And Trucks Skirting The DMV Fees And Emissions Rules Or Is It A Classic - Detour Episode

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Hang on as Jason OldeCarrGuy Carr and John CustomCarNerd Meyer take a hard left for this Detour Episode!

It's a hot topic. What makes a classic vehicle? How old does it need to be? To be a classic, should a vehicle only be driven for special occasions? Ride along as the guys get into it. Should classic vehicle plates, which are generally cheaper and are exempt from emissions and safety inspections, be allowed on 1980s and 1990s vehicles or are those just used cars?

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We want to fight to save our industry of classic cars, even if classic means 1998. 

Tim Jordan 

You're listening to the get out N drive podcast with John custom car Nerd Meyer and Jason old car Guy car will be bringing you gearheads everything you never wanted to know about cars and why they should be on the road and not in your garage. Are you ready to get out N drive? 


Guys, welcome back to another fantabuloustick Get Out N Drive podcast. My name is Jason, Olde Carr Guy Carr. 


And I am John Custom Car Nerd Meyer. 


John, we've been hearing in the news an awful lot lately about how. EPA and our industry, the automotive industry is in my opinion, being attacked for things like, you know, emissions and, you know, certain things that we do in our in, in our Community, right down to they've changed our paint and stuff like that so. We're we're dealing now with people who just simply want to drive their vehicles, their hot rods, their classics. As daily drive. And we're running into troubles, John. What kind of troubles are we running into with these people? Just plating their vehicles as Antiques and daily driving them? 


If you had a vintage car and traditionally and still everywhere, it's from today's date 25 years prior. From from this model year, that is considered a vintage car by U.S. I don't know how they do it in Canada, but I know that in the United States that's that's where everybody starts. And it was fine when people wanted to drive 55 Chevrolet and this and that, and they drove it a limited time throughout the year. You're supposed to keep a log book. You're supposed to keep. I think it the minimum. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was under 2000 miles a year. They had lots of limitations. They had a big. Long thing that said, you're only supposed to go for display of the vehicle for tuning and adjustments, and for parades and all sorts of stuff. And and that was very limited use for the vehicle because they wanted to make sure that if you had those limited use license plates, you weren't driving the car every day the world progressed and time marched on technology with cars got better and better and better. Now 25 years previous to now is considered a used car. To me, and it's not a Model T, it's not a model A. It's not a very difficult to drive car, it's a generic truck that you'd see anyone driving on the road. 90S ERA vehicles are now consider. 100 classic collectible vintage cars and I think a lot of people are taking advantage of this. Getting collectible car license plates. And they're putting it on. These cars that are cheaper. Than regular standard issue license plates and they're driving them all the time no matter what, and I think they're only doing that to skirt having to constantly inspect and renew license plates on your car. What do you think? 


Yeah, it's it's it's becoming. Harder and harder for the average Joe just to enjoy what it is he bought or built. And you know, I want to jump in just for a split second and say I don't know about you. But 25? Years ago, to me was 1980. Like not 1996-97 like this is the point that we're at now. If you're driving a 1997 Lincoln town car like the one I just sold. There are still emissions standards that you have to meet with those cars, and if you're driving that as a regular, everyday plated car, well, you've got to meet those standards. But as soon as you're able to plate that as an antique, which technically it would be. Though you're now exempt from emissions. Testing and certain parameters and you can insure it for a heck of a lot cheaper because of the limitations and people are. Taking advantage of that. Now I've got two vehicles now that I that I do insure, as you know, classic antique vehicles and I don't drive them every day. We have winter here in Canada, so we really only have about five months of the. Year that we. Can really drive them, and even still, there's so many limitations our people abusing this absolutely. I do believe that they are and you're getting to the point now where when the annual registration time comes for these plates in certain States and then it's not so much in Canada. That that. You're having to prove your mileage. Your upkeep. Any work that you've done, you know, little stuff like that. And that you? Have the proper insurance so. Heaven forbid they record your mileage at the beginning of 1 registration period and three months later you've got 6000 miles on this car. What are they going to do? Like what? What are the? What are the penalties? That are going to be imposed for abusing. That system I'd be interesting interested to know what some of you folks think. John, what do you think? Do you think some of these penalties are going to be for people who abuse that system? 


I I don't know. I I think this is a new quote UN quote problem that the US obviously US and Canada and and certainly globally it will be an issue. I I think it's a new problem, it's going to be addressed, I don't know. What happens if you are driving a vintage vehicle on classic car plates? And and driving it everyday I'm I I drive it has regular plates on it and I pay my regular fee and everything. I have an 89 Jeep Cherokee that I drive all the time every day. My maverick regular plates on it all the time. Every day I I don't. I don't think people are doing that. I think they're getting the cheaper plates. Like I I don't know. I'm making up numbers. I think it's several $100 in in Illinois to get regular plates for your regular everyday daily driver car. But it's it's an exorbitantly a less amount if you're wanting to get vintage plates for your car because they think they you're not going to be driving it as much. I've gotten pulled over in. And and I think this is probably in the early 90s, I was pulled over in a 71 maverick and it had vent antique auto license plates on it and whatever officer pulled me over I guess still had the plastic on his badge or whatever and he's he, he got out of the. Academy yesterday initial stop pulled me over because I was driving a car that he thought shouldn't have those vintage plates on it and he didn't know what those were and he stopped me and asked me why do you not have current license registration in your car? And I had to explain that to him. You were supposed to have a log book. Like you were saying the word. You're supposed to do this when you get pulled over, or if you get pulled over as an initial stop and you have vintage license tags on your car. You're supposed to have a logbook that says On this date. I had this mileage and this is what I did and you have to give them a reason why you're driving the car that day. It's for demonstration purposes. It's for. You're headed to a parade. It's for testing. Whatever it is. But like I said, as technology increased. Those rules are not necessarily applying. For people that are driving cars that blend in to late model cars, it used to be you're driving what is quote UN quote, a late model car and all of those rules. Were for a car that was not as fast, didn't break as well, had had mechanical limitations because 5060 seventies. They realized you could have antique license or they needed an antique license plate for cars because there was some goofball that's trying to drive a Model T. In traffic and he certainly wasn't going to be driving that every day, but that was when cars were late. Model Cars was a 50s 60s 70s cars. Now those cars that used to be considered late model, those are now antique and time has marched on and it is just absolutely ridiculous how many cars. That I see then I say. Oh, that's a used car. It's not. That's an 89 Chevrolet pickup. That is a square body pickup 73 to 87, 91, If you consider Suburbans. They blend into traffic because the mentality of everybody, they see a 55 Chevrolet Bel Air and they think old car, they see a model-T and they think old car, they don't see. In 1990 Chevrolet Truck or an 89 Jeep Cherokee and think old car. 


And I think to some degree too we we look at. You know the premise on which manufacturers are building cars today. We've talked about this in a previous detour episode. I don't believe manufacturers are specifically building cars to last forever. They're that's it's planned obsolescence, they're. Building them to get get you. Through warranty, maybe a few years after that. And in hopes that when that warranty is gone, you're moving on to the next one, but there's always somebody there to pick. Up that vehicle. At that point in time, whether it's three years old, 5-10 years old. Whatever the value is, there's someone there that can only afford that, or they're specifically looking for that. And unfortunately, there comes a point when a cars devaluation just reaches a certain point where no matter what it is, it's worth 1500 to 2000 bucks. Well, in today's market, that's probably 3 to 5000 bucks, but nevertheless. As we as we move on in time. They're still pumping out hundreds of thousands of cookie cutter cars. In every brand, it doesn't matter who you are. I don't care who you are. If you're in the mainstream automotive, the big five or six or seven cars, car manufacturers, you're your cookie cutter stamping these cars out. One just looks like another, looks like another. Years ago, cars were different. Every year it was tooling was different every year and people nowadays they don't necessarily want to drive that cookie cutter car. They want to drive something a little bit outside the. And unfortunately, we're getting penalized for that or soon to be. And I think what's going to happen in the future as time rolls on, maybe we won't see it. I mean, likely we will, but maybe our kids will be of the point where, you know, once a car reaches a certain age, you're just not going to be able to drive that. It'll be able to sit in. A pretty burn. Or in a glass case somewhere so you can look at it and wipe the dust off. Other than that, we're going to be stuck, just like, you know, in, in, in, in China or Japan, where some of these car manufacturers are selling cars there and they say, OK, once it reaches a certain year, we're going to tax the crap out of us. You can't afford to do anything. You got to get rid of it and buy a new one. And again, we're just. Leading, we're heading down a path that. These older vehicles, they're. Getting to become few and far between. Are they really that big of a detriment to the global aspect of the environment? What few there are left, but that's what I'd like to know. It's a very small percentage of cars that are over 25 years old right now that are on the planet. 


Do we really? 


Have that big of a footprint that we got. To crack down that hurdle. 


I do know that people are starting to shy away, and especially in Illinois, where I'm at Metro Saint Louis. I'm seeing the average age of cars. Get older and older and older. It used to be that you never saw a 90s era Camry. You'd never see a square cavalier. You would never see a dodge shadow. Those cars are popping up. And it might be because the the boomer generation, the baby boomer generation that purchased those cars when they were new, that was the last car they purchased. Grandma, Grandpa, Uncle, Aunt May have purchased that car in the late 80s, early 90s. And that is the new barn find. It's creepy and scary to think about, but I see a lot of new drivers and what people I would think is 18 to 25 year old driving a, quote UN quote old car. I saw a Jeep Comanche the other day. You know, the the X. I think it's XJ pickup, you know, Jeep. Comanche absolutely beautiful. I don't think it was restored, but it was perfect and there was a person driving it. I don't think they were 18. And that's how I felt when I was driving a 50s era car when I was in high school in the 80s. It's the same amount of time frame. It's just how your mind sees what you think is vital. 


And I think as we as it was as we come to a close on this episode, one of the things if we want to, if there's one thing that. We get you. Guys to to get out of this episode is we want to go back to our mantra. What drives youth and that is keeping the automotive industry in the forefront. That's telling the stories that's keeping the cars clean that's keeping them. In the hands of people who want to see them still going and fighting that fight against vetoing these things out of existence. So let's you know, bring up our children if they want to you. Know go buy that 30 - 40 year old cars, the cars that you and I grew up with as our parents were buying new. Your teenager wants to buy one of those cars. Do not discourage. They're going to. They're going to have to fix. It for sure. And maybe mom and Dad might have to help them, but at the end of the day, they'll get their hands dirty. And they're going to learn a new trade, even if it is just something that they're doing on the side. So help these kids help you know the men and women who are growing up. They don't have these trades in school anymore to learn this stuff. Let them learn on their own. Encourage them to do that. Because if we don't fight the fight against vetoing and boycotting all these older, poor emissions cars, we're just not going to have them in the future. So I hope that you understand exactly where we're coming from with this story that we we want to fight to save our industry of classic cars, even if classic means 1998. So let's keep this going, you know, keep spreading the these stories keep spreading out this episode to all your friends who care about the car industry and want to see it saved, folks. If you wanna tell us how you feel about this, make sure you head over to our website. Get out N drive dot com and scroll all the way down to the bottom to the listener  Hotline and tell. Us exactly how you feel if. We use your recording. We'll send you some stickers. 

Tim Jordan 

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